Forum:Better Wiki

Hello. I'm here, to talk about why this wiki is getting less viewers, and crashing down.

The follow is a convorsation me and Tigernose had on MSN.

Tigernose says (16:52):

i hate how the cpw uses edits as its highest priority

Metalmanager says (16:52):

I know

Tigernose says (16:53):

the users there dont even understand the difference between sysop and rollback

Tigernose says (16:53):

ill tell you the reeal truth about them

Metalmanager says (16:53):

I now base ppl on experience

Tigernose says (16:53):

Rollback isnt the first step in user rights

Tigernose says (16:53):

You give it to a user who is actively involved in anti-vandilism

Tigernose says (16:53):

While you give sysop to a user actively involved in the article creation drive

Metalmanager says (16:54):

I knowm they all think it goes rollback, sysop, bureaucrat, webmaster

Metalmanager says (16:54):

I should have been bureucrat, rollback, sysop, in that order

Tigernose says (16:54):

Well it goes like this

Tigernose says (16:54):

Rollback or Sysop

Tigernose says (16:54):

ends up in Bureaurcatship

Tigernose says (16:54):

Bureaucratship isnt the highest mind you

Metalmanager says (16:55):

what's the highest then?

Tigernose says (16:55):

well

Tigernose says (16:55):

its complicating

Tigernose says (16:55):

really...

Tigernose says (16:55):

Bureaucracy is just for the extra button

Metalmanager says (16:55):

ya

Metalmanager says (16:56):

actually, I don't follow

Tigernose says (16:56):

But its given to users who want to be recognized for the wiki

Tigernose says (16:56):

as in

Tigernose says (16:56):

If Angela for eg, comes to visit

Metalmanager says (16:57):

....yes...?

Tigernose says (16:57):

oh sorry

Tigernose says (16:57):

one sec

Metalmanager says (16:57):

k

Tigernose says (16:57):

yh

Tigernose says (16:57):

She would go to a bureaucrat

Tigernose says (16:57):

Like the first person to visit

Tigernose says (16:58):

Thats why i really dislike Turtleshrooms so called revoloution

Tigernose says (16:58):

You get me?

Metalmanager says (16:58):

what revoloution?

Tigernose says (16:58):

You know, his "Magna Carta"

Tigernose says (16:58):

and "Dictatorship" (which yes a joke but was influenced)

Metalmanager says (16:58):

oh ya, the thing which means he can't promote

Tigernose says (16:58):

and "I AM THE WEBMASTER"

Metalmanager says (16:59):

but the thing is, he is the webmaster

Tigernose says (16:59):

thers no such thing as a wemaster

Tigernose says (16:59):

thast what ive been telling you

Metalmanager says (16:59):

Robbsi made the term, I think

Tigernose says (16:59):

Bureaucracy is just for being the first to be noticed or talked to

Tigernose says (16:59):

Yeah, but after that things would be going pearshaped

Metalmanager says (17:00):

so, you're saying I became one just to be noticed?

Tigernose says (17:00):

no not like that

Tigernose says (17:00):

dont u undestand

Metalmanager says (17:00):

not really

Tigernose says (17:00):

Yes, you have a higher priority

Tigernose says (17:01):

But it's really for symbolising the wiki

Tigernose says (17:01):

You have the power to changhe the wiki

Tigernose says (17:01):

thats what kinda what i mena

Tigernose says (17:01):

You're organising it, but its not a country

Tigernose says (17:01):

Now do you understand

Metalmanager says (17:02):

so, you mean that bureaucrats don't need to use as much power as they're using now

Tigernose says (17:02):

You're just doing that little, but essential thing to help

Tigernose says (17:02):

yh

Tigernose says (17:02):

Well no

Tigernose says (17:02):

not relaly

Tigernose says (17:02):

What I mean is:

Tigernose says (17:02):

You're the guy who has the power to change the rules of the wiki and stuff

Tigernose says (17:02):

But what it really relies on, is the editsa

Tigernose says (17:03):

Its an enyclopedia not a country for goodness sake

Metalmanager says (17:03):

so, we shouldn't be treating it like it's a country

Tigernose says (17:03):

Yes

Tigernose says (17:03):

Short but effective conclusion

Metalmanager says (17:03):

so, how would I not treat it like one, what would I need to change

Metalmanager says (17:03):

?

Tigernose says (17:03):

Just because you're the bureaucrat doesnt mean you're going to declare war on other wikis or execute users

Tigernose says (17:04):

What you need to do

Tigernose says (17:04):

To fine-tune it

Tigernose says (17:04):

To make it the best as it can

Tigernose says (17:04):

I know its hard to explain but

Metalmanager says (17:04):

so, we need to stop focusing on stuff that's going on right now (like blocks and stuffs) and focus on the good things and make it better

Tigernose says (17:05):

Of course

Tigernose says (17:05):

I have just realised the contrast of the CPW and a regular one for example the R&C wiki

Tigernose says (17:05):

the only problem is though

Tigernose says (17:05):

CP is such a sensitive subject

Tigernose says (17:05):

Thats the major obstacle

Tigernose says (17:05):

Unless you find a way past it

Tigernose says (17:05):

You're done

Tigernose says (17:06):

Do whatever you like

Tigernose says (17:06):

As long as you treat it as a encyclopedia

Tigernose says (17:06):

Not an empire

Metalmanager says (17:06):

so, we need to stop making it like a country, and make it more like an encyclopedia where ppl would actually visit and learn something

Tigernose says (17:06):

Yes

Metalmanager says (17:06):

and I think I see the main problem

Tigernose says (17:06):

I havent learned to much from there

Tigernose says (17:06):

Ok Brainwave

Tigernose says (17:06):

LOOOL BRAINWAVE

Tigernose says (17:06):

Here goes:

Tigernose says (17:07):

Think about the people who read it.

Tigernose says (17:07):

Thats it

Tigernose says (17:07):

Its that short

Tigernose says (17:07):

NO ONE HAS REALISED

Tigernose says (17:07):

THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE READING IT

Metalmanager says (17:07):

since these ppl (like me) that help, know everything about cp, they know everything that's on the pages, so they don't think about what the viewers think because they know what's already there

Metalmanager says (17:07):

and the viewers just want to learn about cp

Tigernose says (17:07):

THATS WHY PEOPLE WHO READ IT, AND HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH WIKING WILL GO - WHY DOES IT SAY ITS AN MQA?

Tigernose says (17:08):

YES

Metalmanager says (17:08):

they don't want to press that random button and find a page about wikia problems

Tigernose says (17:08):

A lot of people here know a lot about it contribute

Tigernose says (17:08):

Yup

Tigernose says (17:08):

Ive learned a lot of stuff from other wikis

Tigernose says (17:08):

But not CPW im afraid

Tigernose says (17:08):

But thats because I know a lot already

Tigernose says (17:08):

If there is a new penguin, who is curious

Tigernose says (17:09):

They'll look somewhere

Tigernose says (17:09):

We need to advertise the CPW as a database not a social networking website

Tigernose says (17:09):

Dont say - come and edit

Tigernose says (17:09):

New penguins wont be interested

Metalmanager says (17:09):

say, come and learn

Tigernose says (17:09):

Yes

Tigernose says (17:09):

You understand now?

Tigernose says (17:09):

I rest my case

Metalmanager says (17:09):

I see it now We need to think like new penguins, to make this wiki better

Phew, that was long, it's actually making it slower to edit this.

My main point is, this wiki is focusing on wiki problems, wiki happenings and basicly everything about the wiki, too much.

A person new to wiking and CP goes here to find information, they'll be like "WHAT'S A STUB???" We need to make it better for the viewers, not the contributers!

Instead of "come and edit!" why not "come and learn!"

What I'm trying to say here is, we need to think about the viewers too! This is a wiki! Not a country!

I hope people understand what I mean!

Lets focus on Club Penguin from now on!

Lets re-make this wiki into a friendly, fan-based wiki! Not a highly complicated, powerfully run country!

It's a database about CP! Lets keep it that way!

So, if you understand what I mean, I ask you all, if this is the club penguin wiki, why not treat it like one?

And finally, the next time you come on, remember what it was like to be new to club penguin, and this wiki! With all the new and exciting pages and information to learn!

P.S: This isn't ment to cause any offense, if it does, I apologize.

-- Metalmanager 19:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)