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Talk Page Redesign or Chat Entering the Text thingy Redesign? (-1)

 * Suggested by GlitchPokemon and confirmed by Awesome335

Hello There, Penguin-Pal Had made that dialogue for me: http://clubpenguin.wikia.com/wiki/Template:GlitchPokemon it's possibly suggesting that it will be used for Talk pages or at least Chat entering the text thingy... Please don't vote against.

For (4)

 * 1) --~ DIGIMON IS AWESOME  (Talk) 20:56, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Callum
 * 3) Darien8910 (talk)
 * 4)  I'm a Chocolate   Eclair!  22:24, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Against (6)

 * 1) Penguin-Pal   (talk)  03:44, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * 17:07, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * 17:12, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 17:18, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) TheNintendoKing (talk) 08:14, September 6, 2014 (UTC)TheNintendoKing

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 * While this idea may look cute at first, you need to remember that in order to implement this, you need a way of: A) making a speach bubble B) make this speak bubble perfectly fit any message height, without a loss in the proportions of the image C) When someone posts several messages in a row (which is literally N messages, where each new message has the timestamp, avatar and username hidden), make the image stretch to cover them all. Even xat, whcih is literally a chat frankenstein, doesn't have that, so... Anyway, when it comes for talk page, no offense, but it's a horribly way of writing messages and replies. The maintenance of these 2 applications will be nightmarish, just think about it. Penguin-Pal   (talk)  03:44, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...okay what... 16:47, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * If you want, you can use the template whenever you leave a talk page message, and maybe other users will create their own if they like it. However, I don't think this is something we should make standard for all talk page messages. As for chat, I think it's already laggy enough as is. :P -- 17:07, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * life's not all about you -- Penstubal (Talk) (Edits) 17:17, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * A bit rude, but whatever. TheNintendoKing (talk) 08:14, September 6, 2014 (UTC)TheNintendoKing
 * I ain't doing this every time I send a message. TheNintendoKing (talk) 08:14, September 6, 2014 (UTC)TheNintendoKing
 * I don't think this implementation would work out very well. Just adding a speech bubble would be pretty difficult, let alone the issue of if the message was too long or too short. Efficiency always comes first, then customization ;).

Demotion Policy (Making Bureaucrat inactivity limit the same as Admin) (+2)

 * Suggested by Callum Fawsitt and confirmed by Awesome335

As you know recently in the past month or so I made changes to the demotion policy as result of the vote. I am very happy with the changes I made and it has had a good result. I wanted to make one last change to the demotion policy and to make both admins and b-crats as well have a 3 week inactivity limit. B-crats are typically admins in most ways apart from they can promote and demote admins which does not really have much to do with the editing side of things.

For (2)

 * 1) User:Callum Fawsitt
 * 2) TheNintendoKing (talk) 08:12, September 6, 2014 (UTC)TheNintendoKing

Permit the use of songs with lyrics (+2)

 * Suggested by Phineas99cp and confirmed by Hey.youcp

As you can see, we can only upload .ogg files/music files in the wiki. However, we can only upload music files whether the files don't include lyrics in the songs, which in my opinion, I find it strict. Therefore, I would like this rule to change and allow songs with lyrics (unless the song contains inapp lyrics). I feel this will have a more positive effect instead of a negative effect.

UPDATE! After hearing some reasonable comments contradicting the idea, I decided to make it more reasonable so that way, it won't affect harmfully the wiki. Higher ranks (chat mods, rollbacks, patrollers, admins and b-crats) are able to upload any type of music file, as long as it includes the name of band/artist and the name of the song. Not only that, but if users want to hear music with lyrics and apply it in their userpage/subpage/blog post, requesting a higher rank would be needed to upload the music file (.ogg). Also, foreign songs can be banned in the wiki (unless a higher rank knows what the song is implying in another language.

If the previous paragraph was vague, then pardon me. What I am trying to imply is, that, higher ranks will be able to upload .ogg/music files as long it has the name of the band/artist and the name of the song. Users can request to a higher rank to upload it and add it in their userpage/subpage/blog post, and the approval of the music file will be determined by the higher rank.

For (3)

 * 1) Yellow_Balloon_Pin.PNG It's  my   birthday,   birthday!   CPNext_Emoticon_-_Cake.pngSeptember 6, 2014
 * 2) F u r r y H a m s t e r 0 3  Puffle 2014 Transformation Player Card Rainbow.png  03:48, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 3) TheNintendoKing (talk) 08:10, September 6, 2014 (UTC)TheNintendoKing

Against (2)

 * 03:24, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

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 * 'Nuff Said Yellow_Balloon_Pin.PNG It's  my   birthday,   birthday!   CPNext_Emoticon_-_Cake.pngSeptember 6, 2014
 * The problem with this is copyright. The way I see it, music with lyrics is more likely to be identified. I'm not sure if we are allowed to add copyrighted music to pages, so I think it would be better to be safe rather than getting into a situation where Wikia gets in trouble and has to completely block the music embedding function. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but being able to add music with lyrics to pages doesn't seem like a huge necessity anyway. -- 03:24, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * YEH! F u r r y H a m s t e r 0 3  Puffle 2014 Transformation Player Card Rainbow.png  03:48, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * We've gone through the lyrics debate over and over- while we offer people to embed cp and other instrumental music, changing this and allowing users to embed real-life music is NOT negotiable. The reason why we only offer cp and other instrumental music to be embedded, is due to the large number of complaints about msuic in web pages online- limiting to onyl these 2 categories is a good way to prevent from music usage to get out of control. Also take a look at Hey.you's comment- there's also a common legal problem, which is really important. Beside, english isnt the only language that is used in songs, rother languages are sometimes included in words, you'll be unable to detect certain words and determine whether they are appropriate or not based on teh giver and the overall context. Even in english-only songs, there are sometimes inappropriate contextes that aren't exactly said. Penguin-Pal   (talk)  07:33, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Something to point out is, not only the copyright (as Hey.youcp said), but also the fact that this wiki is about Club Penguin, it wouldn't make sense to have non-club penguin music on a page.

Bring back The Penguin Herald (+6)

 * Suggested by Phineas99cp and confirmed by Hey.youcp

For those who aren't aware of, we had an official newsletter which would release bi-weekly, and it would include mainly about what's going on in CP and the wiki lately. I believe since January, TPH has been cancelled, and I assume it's by the uninterest the newsletter had. My intention is to bring back TPH and I will assume the responsability of publishing the newsletter. I would like to modify The Penguin Herald with a new, fresh template, and I may publish the newsletter bi-weekly. I expect providing more awareness towards users, for those users who may not be aware of the wiki lately. Of course, this vote will need more positive votes than negative votes. If we achieve more positive votes, then TPH might return :)

For (6)

 * 1) Yellow_Balloon_Pin.PNG It's  my   birthday,   birthday!   CPNext_Emoticon_-_Cake.pngSeptember 6, 2014
 * 2) Ping Pong Paddle Pin.PNG Fancypantsguy8   (talk)  Ping Pong Paddle Pin.PNG 03:06, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 03:24, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) F u r r y H a m s t e r 0 3  Puffle 2014 Transformation Player Card Rainbow.png  03:49, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) TheNintendoKing (talk) 08:10, September 6, 2014 (UTC)TheNintendoKing
 * 3) Callum

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 * If you feel confident and motivated enough to take on this responsibility, then go for it. :) -- 03:24, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do we need a vote for this :P Oh right social pressure. Penguin-Pal   (talk)  07:33, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

More strict guides for promotions (+3)

 * Suggested and confirmed by Penguin-Pal

While our wiki has become more democratic in the last year, there's been a recent wave of promotions with no community votes- and when i think of it, it's kinda disappointing. I received several complaints about this method of promotions, and i honestly think that anyone who pointed this out is right- we need a strict guide for how to promote on paper, not just de facto. So my suggestion is the following:
 * Before giving rollback, patroller, admin or bureaucrat rights to anyone, a community vote must be held. In special cases- when large attacks on the wiki occure and there's a lack of people on these groups, for example- rights like rollback may be given temporarily to trustable users, and shall be removed as soon as the threat ends or when an admin/patroller/rollback/VSTF come to help protecting the wiki.

I did not include here groups like bots or interface editors, as there's a big responsibility that could be used for malicious purposes in both of them, and didn't include chatmoderators either, as it's the group with the most changes (not counting the calendar, of course).

For (6)

 * 1) Penguin-Pal   (talk)  08:27, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 13:35, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Kallie Jo   (talk)  14:28, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Carrots with Ranch!  (talk)  22:21, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 23:16, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Rowboat Pin.PNGtalk 05:08, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Against (3)

 * 1) -- THE RULER AND DICTATOR OF AWESOME HAS RETURNED!!!!!  TALK TO HIM, OR ELSE! 13:33, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2) Callum
 * 3) --FlagBahrain.svg Wolf-gangs ( T a l k ) 16:33, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

 * Pointed out pretty much what i wanted to say. When a community vote is held, more comments and ideas can be shared about each promotion, and probably allow everyone to know what they are voting for. Penguin-Pal   (talk)  08:27, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't need MORE protocol on the wiki. Votes take at least 2 weeks, or, in the case of the recent admin votes, almost a month. That means, for several weeks at a time, there are that many fewer users with rights. With rights like admin and bureaucrat, a certain amount of trust is implied, so a community vote is necessary. But, at the same time, that trust means that the users trust the admins to make the right decisions, to make good promotions for rollback and patroller. For those rights, a community vote would not be necessary. Additionally, though users may LIKE a nominee for rights, and they would vote for him/her, that user may not be up to the task of being a rollback or a patroller, and, in this hypothetical situation, the admins are aware of the user not being up to the task. But, if the user is well-liked, it is likely that he/she will win the vote and the rights. If the admins say, "No, we don't want you" once the vote has already passed, that would be looked upon as abuse of power and interference. But, if we establish a norm of the admins deciding who gets rollback and patroller, there won't BE any of that, because it will be accepted by the userbase as "normal". And remember, if you don't approve of a user that has been promoted, there's always the Demotion Project. -- THE RULER AND DICTATOR OF AWESOME HAS RETURNED!!!!!  TALK TO HIM, OR ELSE! 13:33, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, there's the Admin Veto Policy regarding your statement, "If the admins say, "No, we don't want you" once the vote has already passed, that would be looked upon as abuse of power and interference." Not sure if it applies to promotion votes, though. -- 23:16, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * I know that the community voice is important for that particular reason we have so many project pages like Promotion, Demotion, Proposal and several other pages. For rollbacks and chat moderators rights, I think that through admins discussion we can promote without a community vote. As admins, we are wise enough to pick good editors and removing this privilege from an admin simply decreases his position from an admin to a patroller. The admins must have some authority but not to the point the community have no say over it. If several users oppose the promotion of a certain user, then we have a demotion page and we can start votes Also, if they have someone in mind, they can easily start votes to promote him. But for patrollers, admins and bureaucrats promotions, I believe it must be a community vote rather than just admins. I'm quite terrible in debating and stating my points, but I hope this is kinda clear XP. In the meantime, I'll oppose this proposal. --FlagBahrain.svg Wolf-gangs ( T a l k ) 16:32, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * While I believe in democracy, sometimes it's more difficult to make certain changes under a democracy. That's why this isn't an easy vote for me to vote for. However, we (the admins) could have done things differently regarding the recent promotions. We could have chosen some users and then placed those users on a vote page for the rest of the community to decide. Alternatively, we could have temporarily promoted them, and then let the community decide whether or not they should stay. The way we did things was a bit hasty and undemocratic, but it was only because a few users had been demoted for inactivity, and we wanted to refill those gaps. I think the problem is that our current system makes it too hard for users to earn rights. I remember back to when users could actually request rights for themselves. I'm in favor of this vote, but if we are going to allow the community to decide on promotions, we should make it easier for users to gain rights, rather than having to rely on other people to nominate them (for example, we could allow users to nominate themselves with admin confirmation, and then let the community decide). -- 23:16, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Approximately a month ago, Awesome335 proposed that administrators should be given the authority to promote rollbacks at discretion. However, that proposal received zero overall votes and was therefore rejected. This means that the administration currently has no rights to promote permanent rollbacks without a community vote, and the recent wave of promotions is a blatant violation of community will. However, no such restrictions are imposed on chat moderators, meaning that chat moderators (and maybe interface editors, considering it's high levels of access) are the only group(s) administrators can promote without community voting. Therefore, I believe we should hold a community vote ASAP to decide what to do with the newly promoted rollbacks (whether to keep them or not), and in the long-run, I agree that we should adopt the promotion guidelines proposed.--Rowboat Pin.PNGtalk 05:08, September 9, 2014 (UTC)