Forum:Demotion discussion

This is regarding Sharkbate's administrator and bureaucrat rights.

Now you may be shocked at seeing this, but I don't want to just demote Sharkbate becuase I feel like it. Here's the problem. There are 2 bureaucrats at this wiki. One of them is active (Hat Pop), and one is not (Sharkbate). At the moment, Sharkbate has edited sporadically over the last 2 or 3 months. His status on the adminlist was Away and I believe Seahorseruler changed it to Inactive recently. At this moment, Sharkbate is hardly active, and when he is active, he is not using admin powers sufficiently to be regarded as an active admin.

Now, I am willing to restore Sharkbate's rights once he becomes active again, but I'm afraid it goes deeper than that. I think we are giving/removing admin rights too carelessly now. If Sharkbate becomes active again, it doesn't mean he's eligible for admin and crat rights. We have to consider if he needs these rights. People may argue that he protected a page the other day, but that's not a valid point. Any other admin could have protected that page.

I feel that SB isn't participating or taking a main role in many of the discussions we have on IRC or any other platform. I've only seen him connect here and there and then idle. That's the thing, he never really takes part. He's a little reluctant, and I don't mind that, but I believe that for bureaucray you need to be taking a pivotal role in things, and Sharkbate is wasting his bureaucrat flag. So if Sharkbate starts taking a bigger role in things, starts making forums, taking a leading role in discussions and etc - that's when he will deserve his bureaucrat flag.

Guys, Sharkbate's a great guy, but he's not utilising his available rights. Not only is he inactive at the moment, making a comeback by protecting pages and deleting some and etc isn't enough to be a bureaucrat.

Now me and Seahorseruler had a discussion and he agreed that I should have a try for running for bureaucracy. It sounds stupid, and I don't care if you go "Tigernose isn't active enough... he doesn't edit enough... he's unfair... Sharkbate's better... Tigernose has no edits compared to Sharkbate". All I want you to read is this. I give some legit reasons there. All my reasons are there, as I can't be bothered to reiterate them here.

Finally, I know that Hat Pop and Sharkbate are good friends. But Hat Pop is the only remaining bureaucrat who can demote Sharkbate (if such a vote passes), and I'm pretty sure she won't demote Sharkbate as she has said before. I don't want to brag, but I'm pretty unbiased when it comes to right changes. Anyway, enough of that. Seahorseruler will continue and he will explain the rest from his point of view below. You can discuss below regarding this whole proposal. Thanks. Tigernose out! -- Tigernose    Chat   •  Edits   22:11, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seeing Tigernose is in a time zone that is different than most admin, It would be useful for him to cover the hours on that side of the earth. Before, we had too many crats, with every admin being one. Now, we have too little, with just one out of all. We could use 1 or 2 more crats. Anything else, Tigernose? -- seahorseruler | Talk  (EditCount) Yoshi! 22:21, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you covered the time zone point on this forum, as I'm afraid some people might not click the link I left that elaborates on it. Everybody else, post below the line! -- Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  Chat   •  Edits   22:22, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
Tigernose,though I am shocked and upset about this,I agree. SB makes little edits a month,doesn't use his crat or sysop powers when he's active,and is "away" pretty much all the time. And,I read the bold print,and I agre. Just because you moan that Shark is better,won't change Tiger or Sea's mind. Thanks, Gary the Gaget Dude

Woah. I know SB doesn't edit, but won't he be a tiny.. bit angry??? But, Tigernose would make a great (yes, I said great!) b/crat. Ozone101 22:31, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but I really don't want him to take it personally. -- Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  Chat   •  Edits   22:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've seen SB angry, it's NOT a good sight. Ozone101 22:37, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope we can talk it through with him. -- Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  Chat   •  Edits   22:43, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Although this would be a hard thing for me to do, because I am the only other bureaucrat here, I say I will have to demote if this forum goes through. I'm sorry. -- Hat Pop Bunny Ears Rule! 22:28, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but, Hat, you're one of the strongest and one of the likeable user on CPW. I'm totally sure that SB won't hate you. Ozone101 22:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree,Hat. I don't want SB to be demoted,but,hey,your right. Gary the Gaget Dude
 * I agree to this, it is only fair to demote when a person is inactive,since they waste their powers when they are inactive. Won der  we  ez  22:49, June 1, 2010 (UTC)Wonderweez

How about Tigernose gets b-crat powers but Sharkbate isn't demoted for now? Dancing Penguin  22:51, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * The higher priority is Sharkbate's demotion, not me getting b-crat. So it would rather be Sharkbate getting demoted, as there would be no point in me getting 'crat rights if Sharkbate isn't demoted. -- <font face="Tahoma">Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  <font face="Aharoni">Chat   •  <font face="Aharoni">Edits   22:57, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there is and you're the priority. If he's inactive having or not having b-crat doesn't matter at all and there's no hurry to demote him. While we decide whether we should demote Sharkbate we could be making a vote to promote you. <font color="#FF0000">Dancing <font color="#B22222">Penguin  23:19, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I feel Sharkbate's demotion is the main concern at the moment. -- <font face="Tahoma">Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  <font face="Aharoni">Chat   •  <font face="Aharoni">Edits   23:20, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why do I keep reiciving permission error when I upload an Image?-Mvtech 03:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mvtech, this is not the place to request help. Did you even read the forum? Next time, if you want help, go to a user's talk page and ask there, not here.
 * Hmm... I guess this would be okay... Sharkbate has been a great b-crat, but if he is inactive, than this makes sense. Sorry, I'm in a rush. -- Alxeedo TALK 11:22, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * All though i hate to admit it, your right...--Ratonbat 11:51, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. People who have powers, but don't go on don't need the powers. -- LordMaster96 Talk to me! 14:11, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Time to bring in my opinion: I have never even heard of Sharkbate. He's nothing like Nemo :P OK, sorry, that was unnessecary (if that's spelled wrong somebody else can change it). Anyways, it sounds like he isn't doing anything. I agree that he should be demoted. Bigpboy 15:19, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Errr, umm, well, if we demote Sharky he might be just a tiny bit angry . It's not a pretty sight, as Ozone said. Maybe just take away the 'crat powers? --Sonic The Hedgehog (Talk | Blog | Contribs) 15:44, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to make a real difference to the wiki. Taking crat powers away might not be a good idea as it won't result in anything but probably just arguments. -- <font face="Tahoma">Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  <font face="Aharoni">Chat   •  <font face="Aharoni">Edits   20:17, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly! For example,let's say me and Alxeedo are b-crats,and we are both great ones. I get demoted of inactivy,evreyone will be saying "That's not fair","Gary should get promoted to crat again",and "I hate you <replace this with a admin's name here>". That would be plain dumb,arguing over someone getting demoted of inactivy. As Wonder said,it's only fair if someone gets demoted thus of inactivy. Gary the Gaget Dude Wanna talk? •  Contribs20:24, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly! For example,let's say me and Alxeedo are b-crats,and we are both great ones. I get demoted of inactivy,evreyone will be saying "That's not fair","Gary should get promoted to crat again",and "I hate you <replace this with a admin's name here>". That would be plain dumb,arguing over someone getting demoted of inactivy. As Wonder said,it's only fair if someone gets demoted thus of inactivy. Gary the Gaget Dude Wanna talk? •  Contribs20:24, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

LOL the forum sounded like a news cast. -- Unknown4  Talk  20:52, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you should demote him. I mean, just because he isn't always on doesn't mean that he can't be a good b-crat. NHL Hockey - Let's Go Pens! 20:58, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but he hasn't proven to be a good crat. There's a difference between being a crat and a person, and Hat Pop has been doing a hard job being a bureaucrat by herself. -- <font face="Tahoma">Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  <font face="Aharoni">Chat   •  <font face="Aharoni">Edits   21:13, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, have you talked to him about this yet? NHL Hockey - Let's Go Pens! 21:15, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well he's never on, so I can't talk to him. -- <font face="Tahoma">Tigernose  [[Image:Tigernose.png|link=User:Tigernose/profile|20px]]  <font face="Aharoni">Chat   •  <font face="Aharoni">Edits   21:17, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's on IRC,but he's away (as usial)        Gary the Gaget Dude Wanna talk?  •   Contribs 21:18, June 2, 2010 (UTC)